Раз такое дело, то перетаскиваю сюда спойлеры.
Nagini didn’t have a big role. Not a lot of speaking. You could even cut her entire role and the movie still works. Her role serves as a friend to Credence.
One of the “main” characters supposedly died at the end. I said supposedly because it certainly seems so (everyone in the movie believes she’s dead). I don’t know if she will come back.
One main character will join the bad side at the end.
Credence’s identity is revealed at the end. Hints have been dropping though.
Dumbledore is pretty gay for Grindelwald. I’m salty that they won’t make it explicit, but they literally had a blood pact “not to kill one another.” Dumbledore: “We’re closer than brothers.”
McGonagall appears as a professor at Hogwarts. Young, stern, fair, very much the professor we love.
WE SAW A BUNCH OF SCENES AT HOGWARTS. The feels.
Отношения Тины и Ньюта
"She and Newt had not been talking. She misunderstood that Newt married Leta (it was his brother.) Queenie said Tina’s been dating someone. Tina’s in Paris doing Auror business, and Newt goes there to meet her."
Квини присоединилась к Грину
She joins Grindelwald.
Отношения Якоба и Квини
They were fighting in this movie. Her reason for joining Grindelwald is because she believes he fights for a future where wizards can marry No Majs. Grindelwald was very charming and used sugarcoated language to charm his followers.
Лета погибает в фильме.
Тесей
Very proper, works for Ministry. Cares for Newt. Reminds me of Percy. He’s a good guy. Loves Leta.
МакГонагалл
She was addressed as Professor McGonagall. I will not put it past JK to retcon the plot (her year)... but yeah it could be her mom
Криденс НЕ Корвус Лестредж
Nope! I will not tell who he is. It’s revealed at the very last moment.
The last name is something we’re all familiar with.
Про мать Леты
Her dad “stole” her from another man. Then she died in childbirth. He remarried another woman. Corvus is the child of this other woman (Leta’s half brother)
She and Corvus were sent to America briefly by the dad. She attended Hogwarts later.
Фильм заканчивается на следующей сцене
The revelation of Credence’s “true identity.” And he did a move that shows his power (yeah he’s powerful)
Про Квини и Якоба
Queenie put him under love potion, they visited Newt in England. Within the first 5 mins of them showing up, Newt undid the spell. So most of the film Jacob is himself. The spell in the first movie only made him forget the bad memories, but he remembers Newt and co. because they’re good memories.
Queenie and Jacob fought. Queenie ran off to Paris to find Tina. Newt went to Paris to find Tina (and do the dirty job for Dumbledore), Jacob went there to find Queenie. Tina is there to find Credence. So it’s all related
Мнение о выборе Квини
I think the reason the producers (JK lol) let Queenie join the bad side is to a) show that Grindelwald was very good at manipulating normal folks b) to have a good reason to continue to involve the OG cast (Esp. Tina, Jacob) in future movies that are mostly about the war with Grindelwald (we know Newt will be there because he’s Dumbledore’s fav, but Tina & Jacob need a reason too)
О Дамблдора и Грине, Лете и Криденсе.
We learned that Grindelwald and Dumbledore made a blood pact. We learned how powerful and persuasive he could be.
Leta does not turn into a beast. She’s just a witch. She died in fighting Grindelwald one on one, saving Newt and Theseus
We don’t know who Credence’s father is.
Про Винду Розье
Her role could have been...anyone, sadly. Not much to write home about. She seems to be a trusted helper for Grindelwald, aiding him.
Поцелуя между Тиной и Ньютом не было
Ещё про МакГонагалл
Yeaaah. I’m like??? Did you retcon her birthyear?
someone suggested it could be her relative.
Her role was pure fan service, not important to plot
Про Юсуфа Каму
He’s motivated by personal revenge. Whether that makes him a good or bad guy depends on your interpretation.
Встречалась ли Тина с кем-то?
The guy doesn't appear. I get the impression that it wasn't a serious fling. Tina's very busy with work in Paris.
Почему Грин убил Лету
She attacked him. I'm not sure what the prophecy tagline refers to. The movie is a lot to take in, this could be a detail I missed.
Отношения Кринденса и Нагини
He cares for Nagini but at the end he joins Grindelwald, leaving her on her own (it is suggested that she literally knows nobody/has no family here). She looks scared the whole movie
Про Лету
Leta's brother, Corvus, died. (Or at least this is what she said, and what we know from this movie. I don't know about future movies.)
We never saw what Newt took the blame for. Newt was growing/taking care of some creature secretly (major Hagrid vibe) but I don't think this is what it is. BUT anyway, mostly unrelated: her secret was she killed her brother Corvus (not intentionally). That's what her Boggart showed (to the whole class): a confusing creepy thing (baby) wrapped in a white sheet, drowning. I believe nobody understood that (her classmates and the audience) until a later scene.
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I don't think the racial profiling was made explicit. Of course, the plot in which the white guy stole a black guy's wife using force carries some racial dynamic implication. But Karma's family and Leta (all black) are seen as elite pureblood.
Also Leta was bullied by (white girls, non-Slytherins) at Hogwarts. Whether this is because of her race is unclear. The other girls think she's horrible.
She is the forgotten daughter because her dad didn't love her (probably blames her for the death of the mother he lusted after?). Her dad however remarried and LOVED the son he had with the new wife (Corvus).
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Leta's whole drama+back story is a red herring. We're all caught up in thinking Credance is Corvus i.e the baby, but many years ago, Leta took another baby to pass as "her brother" (who grew up to be Credance) and let the real, blood-related brother drown and die.
Meaning: Karma vowed to kill Corvus, thinks Credance is Corvus, Leta shows up and stops this, reveals her secret.
This scene set up to show Credance is desperate enough (went through a lot of people and trouble, but nobody knows who he is) to join Grindelwald (who said he knew).
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Sorry, so I'll try again: Lestrange Sr sent them both on a ship to America. On a ship there are many babies. Corvus was crying a lot, which annoyed Leta, so when someone told her to grab your brother, she grabbed another baby and left Corvus. Turns out the ship was shrinking, Corvus got taken onto another life boat and drowned.
When they arrived to America, it was always Lestrange Sr's plan to leave "Corvus" (now Credence) to a nanny/adoption/orphanage, because Karma's out for "Corvus"'s blood. It was his way to protect his son I guess. So to everyone else, they think the "Corvus Lestrange" is dead, but he actually didn't (living in orphanage) BUT ALSO he's now Credence (a random baby nobody knows who he is).
Hope that makes sense.
"real" corvus is really dead, if the family tree is true. his name was magically burned black on the tree
Про роль Нифлера
Niffler stole the pact from Grindelwald, who wears it on his collar (lol). Newt gave it to Dumbledore, saying "so you made a pact not to fight with him." (or perhaps Dumbledore said it/ he confirms it anyway).
Поттеры
I did not recall any reference to the Potters
Про тюрьму
No. At this point I don't think he's got a big following enough to build a prison and imprison his opponents yet. There's a scene at Nuremberg/Nurmengard Castle, Austria though. It's what it's written on the screen, and I don't remember if it was Nuremberg (actual location irl) or Nurmengard (the fictional prison). But it's portrayed as Grindelwald's latest "headquarters" (Queenie and Credence are here too)
Лета и Тесей любили друг друга?
This is up to interpretation. We saw a scene into their Hogwarts years and Leta and Newt were close. They even engraved their names (L+N) into a table (wow, Hogwarts kids are so... Muggles)
In her scene at the end, she looked at the two brothers’ direction and said “I love you.”
Почему Дамблдор был под наблюдением
Dumbledore was under surveillance because they suspected him help Newt travel to Paris (this is the excuse they used). They actually wanted him to help with finding Credence, but he refused to be working with them.
Про Тесея
Theseus appears for a good amount: at the beginning he was at the Ministry when they interrogated/interviewed Newt, then across the movies he appears whenever the Ministry people do (he's the face of them, so to say), he's at Hogwarts, he's at the Ministry (French) when Newt polyjuices as him (lol), he's at the battle, he's with newt as they got out, he's at the bridge (he undid Dumbledore's bracelet)
Leta appears with him in most of these scenes. Got an extra scene at Hogwarts where she recalled her past days as a student & back to present, speaks to Dumbledore
Что это за летающие чёрные простыни?
It's Grindelwald's version of the dark mark. It's his way of summoning his followers (or at this point, it's like a PSA "hey we're meeting to hear my recruitment speech, come!!") We don't see his patronus. Not everyone has a patronus to fight their Boggart (Harry is a snowflake jk). He fought the boggart the regular way.
Зачем Ньют использовал оборотное зелье?
To get into the Ministry (France) to get into their Very Important Vault to get the Lestrange family tree. He was banned from travelling abroad, they already got alerted by this point, his "wanted" posters are everywhere (A LA HP7)
He introduces Tina as Leta Lestrange... and Tina said "and he's my fiancee" lol then for the first time they started bickering and going over their miscommunication........inside the vault (i.e very dangerous situation) LOL
Про цветных актёров
All the non white character don't do well. This makes me sad. I can see JKR and the movie getting criticism.
Nagini is mute most of the time and only is used as a friend to Credence. We don't learn anything about her. People were already made about asian woman ending snake permanently and voldemort's pet. I was at least hoping that JKR was doing something with the character. For now she just seems fanservice.
Leta and her story is just used as misdirect and dies for two white men. I guess the Kamas don't matter now that the misdirect is done. I don't expect yusuf to play big role in future movies.
The only non white follower of Grindelwald (I was really interested in this guy) also ends up death.
You said no other black women in the movie. So Jessica Williams and Seraphina hardly show up. Does Seraphina (macusa president) die?
I'm disappointed and I expect more people to point to this stuff and use it against JKR and this franchise. Why not just use this characters well and not kill them. WB/JKR just don't help themselves.
I really was looking forward to leta the most.
Настоящее имя Криденса и теория о том, как он родился.
I saw the movie and my theory is that Aberforth was upset with Albus for "neglecting" his duty to take care of Ariana because Ariana ended up pregnant, perhaps as a result of a rape. Ariana was clearly an obscurus and when she was killed in the crossfire of the Grindlewald/Albus/Aberforth fight, the obscurus in her saved the baby and that baby was Credence - revealed by Grindlewald to be "Auraelyis Dumbledore" (pronounced aw-rail-e-us) guessing on the spelling of the first name, but that was the name said in the movie.
Ньют говорит, что у Тины глаза как у саламандры
It's cute. Newt tries to describe to Jacob why he likes Tina, and says her eyes are like a Salamander. Jacob is like - yeah maybe don't say that. Fast forward, Newt is face-to-face with Tina in a tense situation and he starts describing her eyes, their color, their shape, etc. avoiding saying like a salamander, then after a pause she says "like a salamander" and it's adorable.
Ньют, Лета, Тесей
To add to this, Newt clearly used to love Leta, but that has faded and now he just cares for her in a non-romantic way. Romantically, he is still very much interested in Tina. Early on in the movie we find out that Tina thinks Newt got engaged to Leta, but it was a misunderstanding. Theseus was the one engaged to Leta. Leta married Theseus but there is no explanation as to why. She clearly regrets it and wishes she was with Newt, but it's too late. There is even a touching scene that takes place in the Transfiguration classroom where Leta pines for what could have been between her and Newt back during their Hogwarts days. Theseus clearly cared for Leta because when she dies, he is devastated and tries to stop her self-sacrifice. Personally, I don't feel as though we got to know Leta enough to care about her death. Perhaps that will change by the end of the fifth movie.
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Their relationship is super one-sided but Theseus seems to be fine with it lol. I think it is going to be REALLY important to read this screenplay as a book - there was so much going on it's hard to unpack just from watching.
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Also, that whole "She's a taker" line from Queenie in the first movie doesn't make much sense. Other than Leta's deep dark secret that she accidentally kinda sorta killed her brother, she seems pretty nice. She is just teased and taunted at school and has a really unfortunate last name that comes with a lot of baggage.
Про Квини
Yes, in what almost felt like a mental break, Queenie steps away from Jacob and joins Grindlewald. She even helps Grindlewald manipulate Credence by reading Credence's mind so that she can tell Grindelwald the best way to get Credence to do what he wants.
Про Финальную Битву
Leta dies trying to buy the Scamander's time to escape. Grindlewald kills Leta, sets off two huge magic fire dragons, then disaparates leaving Newt & friends to deal with them. Flamel shows up and has everyone form a circle around the dragons and then stick their wands in the ground as a spell to contain the dragons, destory them, and stop them from destroying Paris.
О Грине:
Oh he wasn't playing batshit crazy Voldemort. He plays the suave evil guy who's a charmer and a good speaker and literally charms people into following his evil path without them realizing his bullshit (Queenie). He plays people very well (i.e getting Credence to come to him, not the other way around). he was more Tom Riddle than Voldemort.
О Тине:
She's in the movie. I wouldn't say a good amount or a BIG, BIG role. But she's there and doing her excellent invesigative auror work. Plus the romance with Newt. Seems to be her big thing, which is sad to see a good character being reduced into a romantic interest
О Дамблдорах:
Albus Dumbledore told Newt or someone that "phoenix is a Dumbledore [family] thing" / "Dumbledores are likely to attract phoenix" (or something to that extent)
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I would like to rewatch the ending scene. Again, this is only my interpretation, perhaps you'll read it differently when you see it.
I forgot what Dumbledore said about phoenix exactly.
Было ли сказано, почему Квини сказала, что Лета только брала, а не отдавала?
Not sure. But we saw in the past that Newt was there when she was upset/bullied, nothing to indicate she did anything for Newt (not that Newt needed nor wanted help) and it’s implied that they were at least dating, but it’s unclear why she got engaged to his brother.
Сколько времени уделили персонажам
Grindelwald got plenty of time. Dumbledore is very there (as much as he is in the HP movies). Leta got 3 key scenes; flashbacks at Hogwarts, confession scene, ending scene.
Как Грин обосновал свою позицию
He, quite literally, showed a vision of WW2 and said it's basically what the Muggles would do without our intervention. Very wizard-saviour.
His philosophy is pretty much muggle genocide. He's a clear stand-in for Hitler. He sugarcoated his ideals with "love and liberty and truth" but it's muggle genocide.
Про Винду(V) Розье
V used it to kill a baby. I can't remember how many times in total. Grindy's most powerful talent isn't his spells nor magic imo. His words & charm are his weapon. But he's got that skull that could show visions of the future, and he also got this blue flame to kill people. It seemed like nobody could defeat the flame.
LOL Vinda does nothing. I think the writers failed her. She's no Bellatrix in terms of a fascinating role.
Nobody's wand is destroyed. Credence got handed a wand.
Про Тину
She doesn't like that Queenie's forcing Jacob into getting married. They were kinda estranged, but she sent her a postcard from Paris. They still care a lot about each other, their fight is more of a sibling fight, not something serious and permanent. Queenie ran off to Paris to find Tina as soon as she got heartbroken.
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